Lecture 6
Gioia - concerned with recordings of J musicians over time, Collier with J mus as they performed. J took off as a recorded music - it was empowered by. Recordings varied by who was recorded on a particular day. Gioia highlights individuals - has a differnet take than other writers. He hilites Storyvillle as a place for J.
Graduation - is like a change in stages of your life. What happens between two states? You can do whatever you want to do? So - people are excused for crazy behavior for these in=between states, bachelor parties, etc. these are out of bounds. J was "out of bounds" music - it's for "out oof bound" places. Music has a "workshop" stage = Gioia ses this phase didn't necessarily happen in Storyville b/c SV had single piano players, not bands, and early J didn't have pianos. But = many musicians got off work and went after hours to goto SV and jam together. So - there was intercommunication btw SV and other musicians
Was J a liminal music? NO was a liminal time and place in itself. Violence? In NO - all the extra money brought in from sailors, horse racers,etc. - it was like Las Vegas of time. Money, hyper driven culture. Gioia - J comes into existence, not in NO, but after musicians migrated out to placeslike Chicago and got recorded. The records are the end-product of J. To Collier, recs. are a by-product, not the result. The commercialism of recording drove msucians like Duke Ellington - money was a motivator. Spurred level of musicianship.
Jell Roll gave us a legacy in albums he recorded. A testament to what was going on in clubs. What's more important - live, or a CD of what they did? Who knows? But J was influenced by the way it was recorded. It was not in 3 minutes, jams, solos, would go for hours. So squeezing into 3-4 minutes. So - how'd this happen? Gioia talks about blues - recorded blues like Bessie Smith - at this point, there isn't a line be J and blues. Although - already a diff RECORDING aestheitic - Louis Armstrong behind Bessie Smith gives example?Barnes disagrees with Gioia that recording is that different btw J and blues.
Distinction btw J and blues came later. The DID have different markets for J and blues records as early as 20's. What shapes recording of J = before J was a success recorded, blues was. Although Dixieland Jazz Band was eariler - most of the blues came first. Rusty sound, etc. at first. Oliver not looking for a "freak sound" but trying to give a "voicing" to his horn.
Dixieland Jazz Band played "freak" j = did trash talking in Jelly Roll. Some comes from Blues - which fit 3-4 "statement" songs. 500 blues singles / yr by end of 20's. So - early J musicians were backup to blues records
Impact of Ragtime - RT was what was being played in SV. Jelly Roll's take on Jazz. His solo piano has RT sound. RT was the most popular - so what is J? RT vs. J. both had syncopation, but not the same. But, then when recorded, J was considered a form of RT. RT songs were playable in 4-5 minutes. So - when J was put on in short songs, meant for dance, structured like Rt but voiced like the blues. But - Gioia says this wasn't in NO.
Ex-pat NO msucians were able to place music in the place they found thenselves. So - it could be played live in a certain way, but had to be recorded in another way, at least until long album formats came along. So - J played live is different - so in a sense there are two histories of J - live and then recorded. So the history of what we can hear to day has to be taken in a different context. Recording tended to be much slower than live. J as a "speeded up" music - to syncopation. Confusion about issue of types of black music - had African rhythms, meant NO influence could take hold. NO musicians could play at fast tempos live.
Graduation - is like a change in stages of your life. What happens between two states? You can do whatever you want to do? So - people are excused for crazy behavior for these in=between states, bachelor parties, etc. these are out of bounds. J was "out of bounds" music - it's for "out oof bound" places. Music has a "workshop" stage = Gioia ses this phase didn't necessarily happen in Storyville b/c SV had single piano players, not bands, and early J didn't have pianos. But = many musicians got off work and went after hours to goto SV and jam together. So - there was intercommunication btw SV and other musicians
Was J a liminal music? NO was a liminal time and place in itself. Violence? In NO - all the extra money brought in from sailors, horse racers,etc. - it was like Las Vegas of time. Money, hyper driven culture. Gioia - J comes into existence, not in NO, but after musicians migrated out to placeslike Chicago and got recorded. The records are the end-product of J. To Collier, recs. are a by-product, not the result. The commercialism of recording drove msucians like Duke Ellington - money was a motivator. Spurred level of musicianship.
Jell Roll gave us a legacy in albums he recorded. A testament to what was going on in clubs. What's more important - live, or a CD of what they did? Who knows? But J was influenced by the way it was recorded. It was not in 3 minutes, jams, solos, would go for hours. So squeezing into 3-4 minutes. So - how'd this happen? Gioia talks about blues - recorded blues like Bessie Smith - at this point, there isn't a line be J and blues. Although - already a diff RECORDING aestheitic - Louis Armstrong behind Bessie Smith gives example?Barnes disagrees with Gioia that recording is that different btw J and blues.
Distinction btw J and blues came later. The DID have different markets for J and blues records as early as 20's. What shapes recording of J = before J was a success recorded, blues was. Although Dixieland Jazz Band was eariler - most of the blues came first. Rusty sound, etc. at first. Oliver not looking for a "freak sound" but trying to give a "voicing" to his horn.
Dixieland Jazz Band played "freak" j = did trash talking in Jelly Roll. Some comes from Blues - which fit 3-4 "statement" songs. 500 blues singles / yr by end of 20's. So - early J musicians were backup to blues records
Impact of Ragtime - RT was what was being played in SV. Jelly Roll's take on Jazz. His solo piano has RT sound. RT was the most popular - so what is J? RT vs. J. both had syncopation, but not the same. But, then when recorded, J was considered a form of RT. RT songs were playable in 4-5 minutes. So - when J was put on in short songs, meant for dance, structured like Rt but voiced like the blues. But - Gioia says this wasn't in NO.
Ex-pat NO msucians were able to place music in the place they found thenselves. So - it could be played live in a certain way, but had to be recorded in another way, at least until long album formats came along. So - J played live is different - so in a sense there are two histories of J - live and then recorded. So the history of what we can hear to day has to be taken in a different context. Recording tended to be much slower than live. J as a "speeded up" music - to syncopation. Confusion about issue of types of black music - had African rhythms, meant NO influence could take hold. NO musicians could play at fast tempos live.
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